3 Cindi’s Story

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ALEC FISHER: So I think the first question, I wrote down, it might be a little bit broad but it’s what does home mean to you.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): um.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): You know it’s changing as I.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): The definition of home is changing as.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I learn more and more how to be with.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): My son and that.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’m learning and realizing that being wet is a way to just be with people i’m.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Sorry, going back to what home mean.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I think.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Having for me having a place where.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I personally can have solitude.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And that could look like in a band.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): living in a van or having a room in a house.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): or.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): A nature space like there’s no room in the House to me a nature space or even my car becomes my home.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): cuz needing a space of solitude and i’m very adaptable that’s an important piece of home, but the other is being.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Having.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): connections.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I won’t really feel like home unless there’s a way for me to either live with our have connections with my biological family.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah um but also.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I don’t think that will really feel home if I also didn’t have connection with some kindred spirits that I deeply trust and believe in so it’s a.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): it’s a broader.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): A connection for home it’s not four walls that can take many different shapes but.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): People Community solitude and whatever that might look like for me to family that’s really important.

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ALEC FISHER: What you mentioned that i’m.

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ALEC FISHER: Your definition of home has changed over time, like what what is like some ways that you’re sort of your definition of home has changed.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): well.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I used to feel like.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): There were in it for my home that there are certain expectations.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): That.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I felt they needed.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah um.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): But having gone through this last year, both in training and workshops admin fighting for my son’s freedom i’m.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Like.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): home means adapting.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): in ways that some poems.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Are.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): beyond what my usual.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): concepts of what home used to be so it’s, for example, my son is.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): In my home, right now, because the system not only harmed them inside but they didn’t have a good plan in the Community, and they tried to completely isolate me.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So he’s here now and he’s a chain smoker and.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I would never.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): have thought that I would allow smoking in my home.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): But I have learned.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): That the safest thing for him is to smoke inside, even though it’s breaking the lease but i’ve talked to the people upstairs and they’re totally fine with it, so I am feeling really comfortable and.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): realize he’s not there’s less tension between him and I lead by not saying you gotta smoke outside.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): hmm i’m.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Also, there are some other things.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): That he’s doing that I would have said no.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): But i’m trying to be with him.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I can figure out, you know part of my home now is going to be an insulated garage.

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ALEC FISHER: Nice.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Get the garage insulated and i’m no good in the air purifier.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): But i’m.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): P framework of what I thought I needed and had to have in my home i’m has adjusted because what’s most important now.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Is a safety and well being of my loved ones that are part of my inner home and as i’ve learned more about how to support that think especially as the.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): system and society as it set up has tried to destroy the well being of my son I realized that I have more that I can open and give to enter still honor me not not feel like i’ve become a doormat.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’m throw them out my beliefs about what home is.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): There i’ve just adapted the priorities of what makes home home.

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ALEC FISHER: Does does your House feel more like a home, now that sits home.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): My heart.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): feels.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): More at peace.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And so, for.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): For my.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): abode to feel more like home, I do have to make the adjustments.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Like in the garage citing.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): The air purifier so I guess, I guess, having.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): A heart at peace is more important than feeling.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’m.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): feeling like my home is.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): The perfect nest.

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yeah.

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ALEC FISHER: yeah.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And now it’s it’s challenging to sit here and smell smoke, but it was much, much more challenging and heartbreaking and and not peaceful.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): A when he was locked up, knowing that you know, every day, he was baking to come home that it wasn’t serving him, and then you know the plants that they had for him, even if they had.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): done it.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): In a more.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): compassionate and professional way i’m realizing that they wouldn’t work.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): In.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): understanding what home is to him.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Is.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): allows my heart, to be more at peace and redefining what home is for me.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): hmm make sense.

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ALEC FISHER: yeah maybe like do you want to say a little bit more about what you mean by that, just in case.

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ALEC FISHER: You know.

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ALEC FISHER: Like so a listener might not might might get more.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So my my son has been in.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): What they call the mental health system and for him and I it’s been the mental health.

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system.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): it’s done nothing but harm him i’m.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And he’s 43 now and started when he was 17 when he actually was forced into the.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Mental health system.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And if.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Unfortunately there hasn’t been any other place when he does have a crisis and the crisis has been called cause from trauma, both in his childhood in a racist community and a broken marriage with his father and I and horrendous.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): drugs that have have not really served him so with all of that trauma there continues to be crisis and the crisis continues to be met with more trauma to the station.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And so I am trying to keep him out of their clutches have had to figure out.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): What works to to try and less than the.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): unfolding of crisis.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And so, this last time i’m.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’m noticing that.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): There was a pattern, it seemed like of when he did a certain thing he would become naturally more aggressive.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): me and have more controlling of the space that we share and.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’m finding that, with all of the.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): The do’s and don’ts to try and like you’re not trying to keep this apartment for us, and I was very worried about smoking.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And, probably for good reasons I have different roommates now upstairs but I wouldn’t allow him to smoke inside, and so there was this constant you can’t smoke inside you can’t smoke inside you can’t do, and I was a constant, daily thing and then his voices, I was very.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): protective of the neighbors upstairs, and so I would send him outside and then he would be outside of my Grad smoking and you could hear his voice all over the neighborhood.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So there was this you can’t you can’t so, even though he had four walls last time he never really experienced home.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And we couldn’t find a apartment at that time or a house or.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): A place called his own so this time.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): It seems like he is.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): getting involved in this someone behavior.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And yet the aggression that I thought was just the natural part of the behavior.

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doesn’t seem to.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): isn’t there now you know it’s like there’s not someone trying to contain or change them i’m trying to be with them as much as possible and also there is another piece was the monetary thing.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): He had a limited amount of money and I had a limited amount of money, and so there was always the you can’t spend more than this much for food and he didn’t want to cook me didn’t want me he did not eat the food that I could.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And this time around, at least temporarily money isn’t an issue.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And so.

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He.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Like.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): The plaque and beyond the binary collective cavemen quite a bit of money for clothes and he bought he spent like maybe a third of that so he has that some abundance of money he can smoke.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): As much as he wants and not to me, you tell them you’ve reached your limit, you know between your budget my budget, he can eat what he wants, I mean he’s.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): He lost a lot of weight nice gaining that fast, the other day He ordered about $40 with domino’s pizza chicken wings brand new it was just like.

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My.

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ALEC FISHER: blog talk oh.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah yeah.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And he’s able to wear the clothes and to buy the clothes, I think 117 there was always these limitations and he had came from a place of extreme limitation.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So, to finally get free and find that he’s not being bombarded with a whole bunch of more limitations has made this I feel like feel like home to him and that’s giving me so so much peace that i’m i’m more than willing to.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): In health secondhand smoke and.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): With the next solution.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Because that.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): To me, is last.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): traumatizing.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Now, now that i’ve got my values, so we already didn’t understand, but I it doesn’t make a difference, what kind of home atmosphere I create right mm.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): hmm and I can adjust mine yeah.

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ALEC FISHER: yeah, what do you think like home with me and for said.

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ALEC FISHER: For like ideally or.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): um.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I know that he does get lonely.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I mean it’s usually.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Usually four to six weeks after either living with me or he’s in a apartment or a hotel room and i’m going to visit him almost every day that he starts.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Talking about the love of his life when he was 16 and he lived with her shortly again when he was 21 and then he will, if the pattern is consistent, he starts doing a search for a name and then they’ll start asking let’s go find her.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So, having.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): A relationship.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I don’t know if it’s if it’s just means a relationship with a woman or if it just means happening community that cares about him, but in our accept them, I know that’s the missing piece, and it always shows up.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): When he’s out because there’s never been for a very long time i’m.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): A community and.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I have a dear friend that’s my age that it’s attempted to reach out and take in places.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): But she’s my dear friend she’s my at.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Her so.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I think I am i’m going to and the other thing is having music that would have been access to music music videos and.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): he’s talked about wanting that guitar and and getting out his task am and he set up his chest forward he’s a he’s a gamer in the sense of chess and you saw always by.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): monopoly and a couple other games and and toubro having the books that he’s always ordered when he ends up in institutions there’s certain biblical study like staff.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I think, maybe having people that have those interests began to become a part of his life i’m going to.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Have a portable.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): musical music studio bill, so if we do get thrown out at least.

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ALEC FISHER: Apart you sat at home, give me give me where.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’m going to invite.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Someone to help build the other two or three people that also hopefully we’ll have an interest in and talented oh yeah we’re building this music studio and.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): What kind of things do you want and and what kind of patterns so they’ll be this interaction around, something that is something that he’s talked about for a long time haven’t I never could afford it.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So people music.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): People interested in things that he loves to do people that.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I don’t know if they need to be trans or not, because he hasn’t.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): In when he’s around me and Vancouver i’ve never seen him.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I haven’t seen trans people really I know i’m not out and about a lot, so I don’t know if.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Having trans folks are just having folks that can connect with them.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): will be home, but certainly some kind of connection and community.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): With others.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And, and having home is having his choice of how he wants to live be okay.

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ALEC FISHER: yeah.

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ALEC FISHER: i’m.

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ALEC FISHER: This is maybe backtracking a little bit.

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ALEC FISHER: But I was wondering like so so an audience probably won’t know as much about sort of like your story as they’re hearing about this.

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ALEC FISHER: I was wondering if you could talk a little bit at least about like the most.

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ALEC FISHER: Like everything has happened most recently like just.

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ALEC FISHER: With the whole.

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ALEC FISHER: sort of release process and, like just sort of everything that’s happened with Western state hospital.

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ALEC FISHER: As far as like the release date goes, you know the social workers with the.

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ALEC FISHER: Like actually trying to execute the least restrictive plan and and just sort of like the up until maybe like the President if that makes sense, so sort of like the.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So you’re talking about the latest actual least restrictive or not.

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ALEC FISHER: via my.

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ALEC FISHER: yeah yeah I mean you could go obviously go back as far as you want to order to establish context you know.

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ALEC FISHER: But.

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ALEC FISHER: So it can be the most recent bungo are also like you could the hunger strike the I mean i’ve known you since like April right so like um.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah i’ll go back to a first of all, making people aware that i’m the state hospital bed so many patients and family over the years have.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): wrote grievances and complaints and you always get responded their policy that we serve the most vulnerable, with the highest of integrity.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Very little is done through the grievance process, but then there’s lawsuits that have mostly been one only if there has been a death that has been caused a hospital.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): or some extreme cases where finally disability right Washington well to a major lawsuit that might change things, some um, but certainly not for individual people very much so, I always refer to us state hospital, because in 2018 medicare who funds at $53 million a year.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): It became so bad that even medicare had to do tired.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): hands on like they’d be funded them and and medicare usually kind of like most of the professions.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): stands up and stand behind and given Western state hospitals so many chances, despite horrendous mistakes and errors and deaths, they kept letting them.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): come up with a plan of I forget they have something about how they’re going to do batter and then they give them a year to do better, and then they say okay they’ve made some improvement.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So we were taking away this what they call the jeopardy label, which is the most dangerous label there is so in 2018 they got that label once again and.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): They what they got it in 2016 once again and in two years of trying to give them the opportunity to at least make enough change so that medicare did look bad that’s my opinion um they defunded them and then they lost their certification by the only.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): agency that certifies psychiatric hospitals in the country that’s joint Commission it’s a private Commission.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): But if you don’t get medicare funny you can’t get joint Commission certification, if you don’t get joint certification you can’t get better care funding.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So um since then they have been defunded and supposedly they’re working on making things better, but they’ve never been recertified or.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): or funded to God and so basically what we’re looking at is the most dangerous hospital in five states, because it’s the only one.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I always referred to it as a defunded the certified deadly dangerous hospital that they keep sending people up to to get.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): competency restoration, or if they decide that you’re not competently and you’re not able to be restored, and they ship you to the civil side they drop your criminal charges, but they consider you criminally.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): insane that’s not the word say uses anymore, but then they just keep you and one of the reasons that they have been decertified in defunded.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): and have been so many times been brought to the table about look you’re in jeopardy you can’t keep keeping people longer than like Eastern.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): State hospital, which is there’s only two state hospitals and Western state with keeping people sometimes years beyond the average at 1200 dollars a day now.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And they’ve been cited for that, over and over again, I call it, human trafficking, because even by your own standards.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And you say, people are on them ready to discharge list you’re keeping them and keeping them at 1200 dollars a day plus physician charges, plus pharmacy charges, plus you send them out for a medical procedures, and all this other stuff so.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): There was a point where they had over 200 people that had been on the ready to discharge list a lot of them seniors and elderly by now.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): But some of them 510 years beyond the discharge state.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): You know, and their excuse was well there’s no place in the Community, but if this is a state hospital and they know they have a discharge problem, then why are we funding the many different ways and alternatives in the Community.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): To make that so people can live in the least restrictive so they gotta wait keeping people for years until they finally, and that was kind of brought to the surface and now they’re.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Wanting to build a new hospital and build smaller Community hospitals.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah that’s where supposedly people can heal better so with my son, he was put on the ready to discharge list on April 12.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah so I immediately began to make plans for where he could go in the Community, I know he does, like the idea of having his own apartment I know it’s hard to find an apartment in for anybody, but especially.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): My son and others, like him, because our Community is not all, inclusive, like most.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): A year ago, or not a year, but the last time he was in there, and he got on the ready to discharge they kept him for a year.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Before they determine where he was coming.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): out I know it’s like I wasn’t gonna let that happen, because every time I talk to him from the beginning that he was there, he begged to leave that place not like.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): places like solitary or respite houses or they keep coming back and keep keeping the connections it’s like their home their community, even though they’ve graduated and the hospital most folks it’s like.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): They hate it they can’t stand it, they want to get out of there they don’t will heal so I was making preparations on the outside, with some of the new funding that’s all because of the true but settlement and.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I knew what needed to be done on the inside, so Finally, he had the review by the case consult team, which is the Western state admin people who look at any case where someone what’s going to be discharged not to necessarily adult family home, which is very restrictive.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): But what’s going to be charged into a Community placement, where I had set up that my son could go to a motel that he had been successful at before until they found an apartment.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And then.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): He he would have support in the apartment so I had got that plan all worked out and even though at first, they said no way, finally, they agreed to it.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And so the only thing left he had did all the other steps that needed to happen, and so the case called console team looked at his case reviewed it and said Okay, he can go.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Now, the first thing so by Friday I was expecting a discharge day you know let’s let him go he just has a treatment team evaluation.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Or the treatment team, half of them see him every day I talked to him every day so nothing happened that was unusual or you know I just knew it would be a shoo in with the treatment team.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So that would so not Thursday on Friday by five o’clock.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I found out the admin okay that, but there was no discharge date and my son every time he hears a meeting he thinks he’s going to get out.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So, after the admin is a case called sockets consulting met if I need to be out the next day, so I felt like I needed to up my auntie here folks moving so on Monday June 28 I wrote an email to a bunch of the admin and treatment thing and everyone.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I said that I was going to start a hunger strike on July 4 of freedom hunger strike for my son if we weren’t given a discharge date very.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): That morning that they opened it because I wrote it the middle of the night like three o’clock Sunday morning or Monday morning at 3am Monday morning, so I got a call from.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): To Western state admin people Michael horner and candace someone and they said oh we’ve got a discharge date for you, you know it’s gonna live first three days away, so I think it yeah you know, yes, yes, yes i’m like no.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I call it kind of reluctantly I i’m kind of like waiting to make sure, but I say, I think, maybe, maybe we’ll get out this Thursday and then Tuesday I get another call from candace he and.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): she’s telling me where to pick them up.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): What to pick them up and what needs to happen.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So when I get I mean it’s like Yes, this is it i’m calling set up, yes, you are going home, and I will save every day that I talked to him, whenever we were talking about discharged because he always had a date in mind someone had mentioned one day is or one day that.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): He was so clear in his articulation about what do you do when he got out and what I needed to do it was very, very clear whenever he was talking about just charts so once I gave him to date.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Man, it was like he was thinking so clearly, and I particularly talking articulately and, yes, there were some elements that were perhaps confusing, but the level of clarity about what to do and going home and what needs.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): It was beautiful.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah no here we are, I was to say she calls and I call a set and Wednesday.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Is the day before he supposed to get out.

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ALEC FISHER: mm hmm.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I get a call from three admin.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): candace geez Michael horner and one other person that i’m thinking now was Aaron God do, who is it like a do believe the Washington state main discharge.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): person, but i’m not sure if I was him I didn’t remember his name but three people and they all seem there on conference call and clearly they’re kind of in shock I don’t think it was there I know it wasn’t their decision they call it to tell me that the discharge date had been.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): They didn’t use the word but I say block.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): This Sid wasn’t kind of be released.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I was devastated and scared to death.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Because I didn’t know how he would respond.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): When he would he respond, like any person who had been anticipating release for the last six months.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And then someone just out of the blue, without Evan conversation or anything says.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): you’re not going home was he going to explode what’s he going to be in rage was he going to pound on the walls and then they blame it on him and bring him both four guards that will then tackle you and shoot you up and if you’re still as fun entire down on and kearny.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): In four or five point with strengths ipads I was so enraged and so scared I was crying and I was saying.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): How could this happen, you know you can’t do this Do you realize what kind of of trauma to ization and damage and harm i’m.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Like really it wasn’t their decision and they blocked it.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): For that was.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): That was severely traumatizing to me, so I can’t even begin to say what it was like this that hard.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): earned South be psychiatry the treatment teams like high address.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): had not been in on the decision making and he had other plans for how long he wanted to keep said and what he wanted to do with said.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So he went and got one of the he got the medical director who had been on the case Council team that had looked at sits chart and had okay that he went and got him.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): and brought him to interviews said so, here we have this white man and a suit coat and tie coming to visit said the day before he’s discharged she’s not never talked to him before he’s never seen him said his name is very acutely aware of.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): games that people play.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah when this man start talking to him.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): He just.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): The complaint that this medical director said that agreed to block at Well he seemed confused he didn’t seem to know what he was going to do when he got out he wasn’t very articulate and he didn’t talk very much.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): 15 minutes, with a white man in a suit 15 minutes.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): One day before you go out you’re either you know something is up.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): and

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And that clarity that he was able to use with me and I even said that because I called the director, I said I have recordings of him talking.

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ALEC FISHER: You know and.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Well yeah I wish you wouldn’t do that, because this is private and hipaa I said no, I have his permission i’ve got that recorded to.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And he’s.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Oh well, sometimes people are more clear with their family.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): than they are with staff well if that’s true that should.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): be done.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): No been about this picture.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): it’s not right in this hospital i’m but they blocked it and the day after said, called the and told me well, the doctor said.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): If I take these shots they get one now and I get what they want in two weeks I I make it is charged.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So Porsche you know why didn’t you have mothers shots before, why are you using this because he probably refuse before.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And now, he wants his freedom so bad he’s willing to play to almost any tune dance to me tune, to get out of there, so they started give him the shots.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): That, then, I don’t know if it puts the shots or the combination of the shots and the loss of that beautiful hope of i’m going to go free i’m going to go home his his ability to articulate.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): took a tumble dive.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): It came back some.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): it’s certainly had.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): An incredible haha.

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ALEC FISHER: Oh Cindy I think you’re muted.

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ALEC FISHER: So I think you’re muted Cindy try, is there a button to unmute.

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ALEC FISHER: Is there oh there we go there, we go.

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ALEC FISHER: Okay carrie.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): carrie was calling I forgot to.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Get out how to cut them phone off completely anyway, even when I say, do not disturb somehow I don’t know so anyway um.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): You know, every time they asked him to do something, because you know, two weeks would pass and then there’s no date and he said, well, I got my shots what else you know.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And that’s fine it’s him to go out for a he had went out before but they wouldn’t Let he wouldn’t let them do anything.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): about his huge folder neck because they cost that with the drugs they gave them and every time.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): They used to do some kind of test on his neck, they would come back and I have nothing to say so last five six years.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): He wouldn’t allow anybody to do an examination, but now, with this this black male bribery whatever you want to call it hanging over his head like well I need you to go to the doctor and I them examine yo.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Okay, and then they the date they have is like.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): 15 to 20 days away so now he’s hanging his hat on okay once I go to the doctor’s appointment i’ll be free well.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): That doctor.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Change the discharge, a whole thing around he was going to put them in an adult family home, even though he’s never lasted an adult family home, more than six weeks.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): and

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): It is play games with his his soul is freedom.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): are times when he really got to press, because this doctor kept them for 100 days.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Yes.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Just charge state 100 hundred days and in the end they settle for.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): The pretty much the same plan that I had created.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): But, but they eliminated, because not only did they block the discharge, but this had to been a venn depicted.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): As they’ve removed him from the discharge list so once you’re off the list.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): All of the Community supports that you had been eligible for like I had had a peer support called the harp team that they had peers so we’re going to help them with.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Not only getting housing, but connecting because they were people with lived experience and they even had a man that was cultural diversity, was a native American man and they were going to hook him up.

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Here and support.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And there were 70 $200 of money for motel and apartment all of that got wiped off once they took him off the discharge list, and he didn’t get back on it for 60 days.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So when they set up the new plan they got a housing provider and a new program called the gosh program government opportunity supportive housing.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And they chose the hotel I had told them what hotel that I thought would work best one that opens to the outside and allows them to smoke they put them in a new home tab it opens up to the inside and doesn’t allow you don’t smoke inside you gotta go outside and.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And then.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): The agent down here who’s not up here.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): didn’t return my calls when I was trying to coordinate is re entry, I wanted to be there may be consistent be there.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I wanted to welcome him home, I wanted to let her know what it was like he wanted to do and his first moments of freedom, he talked a lot about it always number one was a cigarette number two was real food and now, because the food in the hospital.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): For Apollo and then iPhone you wanted a cell phone.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): So I want.

333
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): To like I have wanted to help support him, and having those first moments of freedom be so celebrate sorry and like prevent free and I get to make choices data.

334
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): But the woman with the gosh program she didn’t return my call or I don’t know, seven, eight days so two days before Sid was to be released, I called her.

335
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I got her, and I was telling her what Sid wanted to do in his first few moments of freedom.

336
00:44:18.150 –> 00:44:19.860
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And she said, Mrs Fisher.

337
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I have 48 hours worth of very important appointments that’s it needs to do I have papers for him to sign apartments for him to go to and that needs to happen, and then we can see what those other things.

338
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’m so I.

339
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): know he this is freedom he’s not it’s not on probation it’s not a row it’s least restrictive yeah well he’s gonna live but.

340
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah he gets to make choices in his life.

341
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): and

342
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And so, then I just kind of let her know it’s like I know the motel and I will, I will be there when he over eyes Oh, I will be there on here right, so the motel and she didn’t say anything.

343
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): which was rough.

344
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Because when I read the notes later I realized that he they weren’t delivering him to the agency at the motel they were delivering him to the Agency, where that goes program resides but luckily I I read be.

345
00:45:32.460 –> 00:45:38.970
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I read the email again and so instead of going to the motel like she would have gladly had preferred me to go and.

346
00:45:39.840 –> 00:45:40.320
Cindi Fisher (she/her): You know.

347
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): I yeah luckily I saw the note and I got I drove down there to help celebrate his first moments of freedom, I had wanted to pick him up from the hospital.

348
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): so that he could ride home with family, you know friends, so it could be a celebratory ride home we go get cigarettes and stuff but no, it was their policy that they had to deliver him to the service provider, so he had to ride home with their people and.

349
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): And so I said okay i’ll just meet him at the Agency, so I got there right about 10 minutes before you’re supposed to arrive, and I called.

350
00:46:31.740 –> 00:46:32.280
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Be.

351
00:46:33.570 –> 00:46:44.670
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Woman who’s who’s doing the provider that’s that’s representing the ghost program and the one I talked to two days ago or 15 minutes.

352
00:46:45.270 –> 00:47:01.500
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I call, and I say hi it’s my son there, yes, and she says, Mrs Fisher I don’t have a release of information for you, I cannot talk to you, and so, what are you talking about.

353
00:47:02.100 –> 00:47:06.600
Cindi Fisher (she/her): You just talked to me two days ago and I did I got loud I didn’t.

354
00:47:06.720 –> 00:47:20.340
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Get I didn’t yeah I did get loud and farm it’s like what are you talking about you spend 15 minutes on the phone talking to me two days ago, why do you need an Roi today and.

355
00:47:21.060 –> 00:47:29.550
Cindi Fisher (she/her): This is Fisher which is talked about generalities, so I lowered my voice she had said, Mrs Fisher you are yelling i’m going to hang up.

356
00:47:30.030 –> 00:47:33.120
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I said I lower my voice.

357
00:47:33.300 –> 00:47:38.040
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I didn’t immediately because I knew what was at stake, I know they use that as an.

358
00:47:38.160 –> 00:47:50.640
Cindi Fisher (she/her): excuse to hang up on the books, so I Lord I said Okay, I need to know it’s my son here yeah um he was supposed to survive it well, and now it’s about five after well.

359
00:47:52.170 –> 00:47:55.530
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Mrs Fisher I don’t have an arrow I for you i’m going to hang up.

360
00:47:57.540 –> 00:47:57.930
ALEC FISHER: there.

361
00:48:01.020 –> 00:48:16.140
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I got out of my car I drove to the front of the building and I walked in because this is a homeless agencies that the shelter but it’s the Agency, they have lots of offices and folks getting paid and I.

362
00:48:17.790 –> 00:48:29.160
Cindi Fisher (she/her): won’t go there, so as I walked in the door, I walked right past the office, because I saw a glimpse of my son that they had even band for me banned me from visiting.

363
00:48:30.330 –> 00:48:36.090
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Special, and so I hadn’t seen him for about a month six weeks.

364
00:48:36.600 –> 00:48:47.250
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So is said Nice, you know he’s walking with his backward to me, and he turns around, but there are three people that are hurting guiding him.

365
00:48:47.820 –> 00:48:59.370
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Right and so he turns around and they’re still guiding him forward and they turn the corner and so i’m walking straight back there to see my it’s fun to greet him.

366
00:49:00.150 –> 00:49:12.930
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And as they turn the corner, he must have stopped you know, like to turn around and say hello to his mom So when I get down there i’m getting ready to give him a high five.

367
00:49:14.160 –> 00:49:30.930
Cindi Fisher (she/her): With my hand my fist and they basically like prevent that they don’t let him move close enough to me to do that, and then I find that out there, I am with three people hurting me trying to hurt me.

368
00:49:31.830 –> 00:49:38.790
Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’m i’m saying that’s my son, I want to say hello to Mrs Fisher urine private space right now.

369
00:49:40.950 –> 00:49:56.610
Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’m here to greet my son, I have permission, I have a right, I knew he was here, and so, then they heard him on a way down that hallway and around the corner and i’m just standing there they’re asking me to leave and i’m saying i’m not leaving.

370
00:49:57.030 –> 00:50:05.220
Cindi Fisher (she/her): My son once smoke my son wants real food and i’m here to take him to do that, I am not believe in.

371
00:50:06.270 –> 00:50:11.850
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So, then they warn me and tell me they’re gone color security and they call their security.

372
00:50:12.780 –> 00:50:19.110
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And besides the three of the women that security is a young man who’s on premise and slaying.

373
00:50:19.680 –> 00:50:28.980
Cindi Fisher (she/her): That probably weighs as much as I do, and has two or three inches shorter and he kind of just looks at them and me and does nothing says nothing.

374
00:50:29.580 –> 00:50:44.970
Cindi Fisher (she/her): You know I then i’m just standing there saying, I am not leaving the next thing I know I see sun coming back with the herders and saw as it comes around past me, I am in lockstep with them telling him see.

375
00:50:45.780 –> 00:50:52.530
Cindi Fisher (she/her): who have a right to you know go get food and that but sit is very reluctant to.

376
00:50:54.840 –> 00:50:55.770
Cindi Fisher (she/her): rock the boat.

377
00:50:55.830 –> 00:50:56.730
Cindi Fisher (she/her): He could see the.

378
00:50:57.000 –> 00:50:58.620
Cindi Fisher (she/her): empower right.

379
00:50:59.490 –> 00:51:10.530
Cindi Fisher (she/her): One of me and there and i’m sure in the back, they told him like you’re gonna have to sign these papers, or else you won’t get an apartment or else you’ll have to go back to the hospital or something.

380
00:51:10.950 –> 00:51:19.290
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So he wasn’t at this point, even though before he had turned around and move toward to me at this point he’s with those who are hurting and.

381
00:51:19.710 –> 00:51:29.340
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And he goes to the side door, but what I later found out is that he asked for a cigarette and that side door at the end of at least outside.

382
00:51:30.270 –> 00:51:40.350
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I didn’t know that at the time, so, while i’m waiting there for him to come back down the hallway we’re really he’s outside, in the meantime, they call the police.

383
00:51:44.010 –> 00:51:55.380
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And at that point when I heard that we can call the police, I thought okay if they’re gonna have to drag me out i’m not going to resist but it’s not going to be easy, so I did it is seven.

384
00:51:55.770 –> 00:51:58.260
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I sat on my back and so on, I sat down.

385
00:51:59.280 –> 00:52:07.020
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And two policemen came to talk to me, there were a couple of cars outside and one.

386
00:52:09.750 –> 00:52:10.860
Cindi Fisher (she/her): was an asshole.

387
00:52:12.060 –> 00:52:28.140
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I asked him if he had ever taken CIT Community crisis intervention, training and he says, in which statement So what are you talking about and he said, well, I took it in Oregon and Washington and I thought.

388
00:52:29.970 –> 00:52:42.060
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So it didn’t take he took it, but it didn’t take with them clearly I just told him I said you don’t talk to me until you change your attitude and your voice, and I have nothing to say to you.

389
00:52:43.170 –> 00:52:54.420
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And then, how many police and stopped and asked him if it was Okay, if he talked to me and then he approached me in a very compassionate human way.

390
00:52:54.900 –> 00:53:03.870
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Very chair sat down on it leaned over lean forward and talk to me quietly respectfully.

391
00:53:04.620 –> 00:53:14.250
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And he started telling me he knew said that he’d seen him around town, and that was not the way to start, because I know if you know him if he’s seen around town.

392
00:53:14.880 –> 00:53:27.540
Cindi Fisher (she/her): You don’t notice it and I know it out, so he saw without me saying a word he caught himself and he started asking me what’s going on.

393
00:53:28.290 –> 00:53:42.240
Cindi Fisher (she/her): But stopped me and he listened and patently and I got to tell him everything and he said, I totally understand you know you have every right and and I think it should have that you know right.

394
00:53:42.930 –> 00:53:55.830
Cindi Fisher (she/her): um but anyway, the other policeman went out to talk to said with those who had surrounded him so now he has a white policeman, along with its three White women.

395
00:53:57.240 –> 00:53:59.970
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Nobody in color insight.

396
00:54:02.700 –> 00:54:10.830
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And the policeman comes back and tells me said, asked me to go to the motel and wait for to wait till he comes out at two hours.

397
00:54:11.640 –> 00:54:24.990
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And i’m sure that they told him to say that, and he said that because he did not want to end up back in the hospital and i’m sure that they use those coerce of words so.

398
00:54:26.580 –> 00:54:28.230
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Because this policeman.

399
00:54:30.150 –> 00:54:32.340
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I felt like my son was going to be okay.

400
00:54:33.690 –> 00:54:35.910
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I didn’t have to.

401
00:54:37.290 –> 00:54:47.460
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I didn’t have to push it, you know, so I looked at him, he was still leaning over when the other policeman came back and told me that and I told them i’m sure that’s a coworker statement.

402
00:54:48.090 –> 00:54:59.670
Cindi Fisher (she/her): But because you are still in touch with their humanity and you’ve treated me with such respect I will get up from here, and I will go to the motel and I will wait.

403
00:55:01.410 –> 00:55:18.390
Cindi Fisher (she/her): He helped me up and he said, can I walk with you to the door to your car i’d be glad to do that, and he gave me his card and I allowed it to that I really felt like he was supporting me and escorting me not escorting me out.

404
00:55:19.890 –> 00:55:26.760
Cindi Fisher (she/her): escorting me um so I left my son with these people.

405
00:55:27.780 –> 00:55:29.310
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And it went to the motel.

406
00:55:30.720 –> 00:55:36.900
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And at 315 he was supposed to be there at three o’clock he did not arrive, so I call.

407
00:55:38.370 –> 00:55:40.110
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Like where is said.

408
00:55:41.400 –> 00:55:43.770
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I could hear sit in the background.

409
00:55:45.390 –> 00:55:50.940
Cindi Fisher (she/her): race race told me they had to go get another phone or something and they called me back.

410
00:55:52.170 –> 00:56:05.400
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And it’s not the agent, who said was working with it was some other folks and I could hear sit in the back, saying tell my mom to come and get that stone I want her to come by this phone and they said that.

411
00:56:06.540 –> 00:56:16.890
Cindi Fisher (she/her): says wants to go buy this phone, and so I said well yeah that’s fine, but why isn’t he you know here at the motel and and she said well.

412
00:56:18.510 –> 00:56:23.460
Cindi Fisher (she/her): said went out for a smoke I guess he’d asked for another cigarette and.

413
00:56:25.050 –> 00:56:28.800
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Then he wandered away and he didn’t come by for a while.

414
00:56:29.820 –> 00:56:34.050
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And and his case manager that’s what she was gone.

415
00:56:35.310 –> 00:56:37.350
Cindi Fisher (she/her): According to said in the background.

416
00:56:37.380 –> 00:56:44.640
Cindi Fisher (she/her): He said yeah mom and I got back I just you know went for a walk is that she yelled and screamed at me she was really mad.

417
00:56:45.510 –> 00:57:01.770
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And they told me, she was on home that’s why I didn’t get to the hotel because she left him and I thought, all these people that were hurting him and me were part of the gosh Program.

418
00:57:02.280 –> 00:57:03.000
Cindi Fisher (she/her): But now.

419
00:57:03.330 –> 00:57:14.340
Cindi Fisher (she/her): She was the only agent of the gosh of the rest of the people who are part of the share agency and they didn’t even know what program she was about.

420
00:57:15.570 –> 00:57:24.540
Cindi Fisher (she/her): um and they didn’t know what to do with said, except they knew that he needed to get a phone because this agitation is growing, so they asked me to come and.

421
00:57:25.020 –> 00:57:29.130
Cindi Fisher (she/her): get him and take him to the phone store and then we could figure out what to do next.

422
00:57:29.580 –> 00:57:40.320
Cindi Fisher (she/her): turns out of phone stores right next to the Agency so i’m sure when he disappeared, he went and looked at the phones, because when I came he had exactly that he knew exactly the only one.

423
00:57:40.920 –> 00:57:52.620
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So I got the phone plan I originally had he got the cigarettes, the plan here originally had not the plan Bay it had so I took him back to the Agency.

424
00:57:53.730 –> 00:58:10.260
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And they said well she’s gone home can you just take him to the motel and check and make sure, and according to the least restrictive court order that’s the only place he can stay that’s part of the restriction, he has to stay.

425
00:58:12.600 –> 00:58:13.500
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So we got that.

426
00:58:15.240 –> 00:58:18.990
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I go to check in with bring all those bags and and by this time.

427
00:58:20.280 –> 00:58:21.900
Cindi Fisher (she/her): his thumb so twitching.

428
00:58:23.610 –> 00:58:29.040
Cindi Fisher (she/her): His teeth is grinding and his internal companion.

429
00:58:30.060 –> 00:58:37.890
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Are kind of warning him we’re kind of in the danger zone there’s a lot of enter talk that’s express.

430
00:58:38.910 –> 00:58:39.630
Cindi Fisher (she/her): verbally.

431
00:58:41.760 –> 00:58:47.880
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And so I go up to the checks and or the guests register.

432
00:58:49.200 –> 00:58:50.970
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And they asked me for the credit card.

433
00:58:51.990 –> 00:58:54.960
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Other people you know who made the reservation.

434
00:58:57.480 –> 00:59:11.940
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I don’t have it, nobody gave me any anything and they say, well, we also need his ID they didn’t let me be a part of the discharge, I didn’t order his ID.

435
00:59:14.730 –> 00:59:16.230
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So long story short.

436
00:59:17.670 –> 00:59:36.870
Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’m calling back to the Agency, where the one case manager has gone home they’re trying to problem solve Okay, they finally find a copy of his idea paper copy, and they also talk to the hotel that says that.

437
00:59:38.580 –> 00:59:39.870
Cindi Fisher (she/her): They can use.

438
00:59:41.190 –> 00:59:58.710
Cindi Fisher (she/her): They can Okay, the credit card just five pound so citizen I who’s already and an anxiety state load up his bags, I have to explain to him, you know we’re going, we are going to be able to come back, but we gotta drive 20 minutes back.

439
01:00:00.150 –> 01:00:01.080
Cindi Fisher (she/her): To get your.

440
01:00:03.060 –> 01:00:04.170
Cindi Fisher (she/her): copy of your IP.

441
01:00:05.460 –> 01:00:06.780
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So we come by.

442
01:00:08.070 –> 01:00:21.990
Cindi Fisher (she/her): hit this check then it’s a new motel I do get him at the end of the first floors so he can go out his store and then go out the outside door and smoke out yeah i’m.

443
01:00:23.220 –> 01:00:31.080
Cindi Fisher (she/her): in the morning and what’s called and the reservation was for 14 days and the hotel called me and told me I had coming God.

444
01:00:34.170 –> 01:00:36.990
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I said, well, you need to call the Agency consistent there.

445
01:00:39.750 –> 01:00:51.780
Cindi Fisher (she/her): But I did talk to her gun I made her call the Agency so that they could you know, have to work on their discharge plan and it turns out that he.

446
01:00:52.380 –> 01:01:09.690
Cindi Fisher (she/her): wouldn’t forget his key every time and so through the other night he hit forgot his key and I had told the people will be the agents, the case manager and the discharge people that he smokes chain smokes throughout the night, especially when he’s free.

447
01:01:10.740 –> 01:01:14.790
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So he would forget the key he, like he forgot the key.

448
01:01:15.810 –> 01:01:22.890
Cindi Fisher (she/her): The first two or three times and she gave him another one, but night clerk the next time she went and opened up for.

449
01:01:23.910 –> 01:01:33.090
Cindi Fisher (she/her): The next time she was taking care of business, you know under six times, she was taking care of business and summertime and he was not patient.

450
01:01:33.840 –> 01:01:47.460
Cindi Fisher (she/her): He wanted to get back in his room maybe to go to the bathroom maybe to go to sleep, maybe he just was impatient, but he started yelling when they didn’t do it right away, stop everything and take care of them.

451
01:01:48.660 –> 01:01:56.880
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So initially she told me he couldn’t stay because the license keys, and he would be yelling and he was pacing and the lobby and.

452
01:01:57.900 –> 01:02:12.210
Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’ve got as I question term or it was the yelling was because he wanted to get back into his room and she said, you know i’m running him hotel I can’t keep doing that and so um.

453
01:02:13.470 –> 01:02:14.190
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So.

454
01:02:15.420 –> 01:02:16.650
Cindi Fisher (she/her): back to the.

455
01:02:18.210 –> 01:02:23.460
Cindi Fisher (she/her): agency, the share House what to do next.

456
01:02:25.020 –> 01:02:35.850
Cindi Fisher (she/her): They talking about putting him in one of their other contract hotels and they said it’s going to be the same thing, because all your contract hotels, open to the inside.

457
01:02:37.140 –> 01:02:41.490
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So she asked me at this point what did I suggest.

458
01:02:42.630 –> 01:02:55.830
Cindi Fisher (she/her): first time I asked me anything and I told them about the motel that I had originally planned economy lodge he’d stayed there successfully fully before stayed there for two months i’m.

459
01:02:56.910 –> 01:02:59.460
Cindi Fisher (she/her): open to the outside, they have a smoking room.

460
01:03:00.900 –> 01:03:07.650
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So she went called they had the reservation available see made the reservation.

461
01:03:08.910 –> 01:03:10.890
Cindi Fisher (she/her): When we went down there.

462
01:03:12.510 –> 01:03:17.970
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And while we are down there there’s one person i’ve had of me.

463
01:03:19.710 –> 01:03:31.830
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And it turns out to be the caseworker that left him before I I hadn’t remembered what she looked like but as she’s trying to make the reservation she says her name.

464
01:03:32.790 –> 01:03:51.660
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So here’s serious and he’s wanting Oh, I will say this, the director that was back at the Agency I finally got to talk to the director i’ve been waiting for 24 hours to hear from her when she came out, she said to me.

465
01:03:52.830 –> 01:04:10.470
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I really want to you know applaud your advocacy as a mother, if I were you, if I were in your shoes, I do the same thing, but the next time, and when I say you’re not gonna like it’s our client is said not here, so I said no problem sits right there ask him what he wants.

466
01:04:11.580 –> 01:04:22.680
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And so, he told her, I want to go to sleep, and I want her hotel room, so we get so when we get down to the motel.

467
01:04:24.180 –> 01:04:29.940
Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’m thinking will just be able to grab the key and catch him in the room.

468
01:04:31.530 –> 01:04:39.030
Cindi Fisher (she/her): let him go to sleep, let him just have some space, so when we’re down there she’s there’s.

469
01:04:41.010 –> 01:04:42.750
Cindi Fisher (she/her): No that’s not true.

470
01:04:44.130 –> 01:04:46.200
Cindi Fisher (she/her): When we first went there.

471
01:04:47.460 –> 01:04:55.080
Cindi Fisher (she/her): The reservation had been made by them already and so when we show up there.

472
01:04:56.490 –> 01:05:11.130
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And the lady is asking for $150 deposit and so I told her you need to call the company, but each nc to get that positive let them know.

473
01:05:12.630 –> 01:05:16.860
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And the reservation had been for that night and then 13 days.

474
01:05:18.720 –> 01:05:26.910
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And when when she caught I hear them talking and they’re having discussion about $150.

475
01:05:29.070 –> 01:05:31.860
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And they’re talking to and now.

476
01:05:33.300 –> 01:05:36.750
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And all of a sudden, I hear the lady say.

477
01:05:38.010 –> 01:05:39.180
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So you want to cancel it.

478
01:05:40.680 –> 01:05:45.660
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And you want to cancel it you want to cancel both have reservations.

479
01:05:47.670 –> 01:05:48.000
Cindi Fisher (she/her): and

480
01:05:49.350 –> 01:05:50.580
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Then she says okay.

481
01:05:52.320 –> 01:06:04.380
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And then she hangs up and i’ve seen what happens they cancelled or what yeah they didn’t want to pay the hundred and 50 well i’ll pay the hundred and 50 I will give you the cash.

482
01:06:05.280 –> 01:06:18.600
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And she says no it’s cancelled well, while it was taking so long Sid came in and she remembered said, to a degree, and because it was taking a while.

483
01:06:19.170 –> 01:06:28.680
Cindi Fisher (she/her): He had looked around saw that they had a big sign at coffee and coffee cups and so, while we were waiting, he asks where’s the coffee.

484
01:06:29.250 –> 01:06:36.330
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And she said we don’t have any, no doubt, because of course it so then he went up and rang the bell three times and walk out.

485
01:06:37.020 –> 01:06:48.270
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So with that she said no, he can’t stay here, and I know you can the reservation is cancelled and i’m not to enter back so.

486
01:06:49.170 –> 01:07:07.020
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So, then, we had to go back to the Agency again, so this is his first day back and he’s finally within 24 hours of his first day back and he’s getting all this rejection and police showing up and so when we go back again i’m saying why.

487
01:07:08.280 –> 01:07:09.150
You to cancel.

488
01:07:10.230 –> 01:07:11.670
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Well, they wanted cash.

489
01:07:12.990 –> 01:07:17.880
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Why did you cancel it what other plan, did you have.

490
01:07:19.020 –> 01:07:21.210
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Well we’ll have to get another motel.

491
01:07:22.620 –> 01:07:23.220
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So.

492
01:07:24.450 –> 01:07:26.370
Cindi Fisher (she/her): that’s when the.

493
01:07:27.540 –> 01:07:37.260
Cindi Fisher (she/her): director is also involved and that’s when they come back and say, well, we got it fixed so you can go back to external watch.

494
01:07:38.760 –> 01:07:48.150
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And that’s when I walk in and Jeanette is there, since I already told the director he’s tired he wants to go to sleep.

495
01:07:48.810 –> 01:07:57.030
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And he’s already been yelled at by the motel lady, you know, and then by engine that all of this within 24 hours and.

496
01:07:57.660 –> 01:08:05.700
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So when we go back in and Jeanette trying to make the reservation and said is wanting to go to the room, I thought it was going to be quick.

497
01:08:06.270 –> 01:08:19.800
Cindi Fisher (she/her): But she had made a reservation yeah so then she has to show the credit card, but again, the credit card is not hers it’s the Agency, and she doesn’t know.

498
01:08:21.000 –> 01:08:35.310
Cindi Fisher (she/her): The information I don’t know exactly what so she has to call down and get that information for the credit card, and then they have to fax stuff back and forth and sits tired and he wants to go in the room.

499
01:08:37.200 –> 01:08:44.280
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And then they had to then they had the credit card got declined place.

500
01:08:46.380 –> 01:08:56.250
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And so, then Antoinette had to use our own personal credit card, and so, because it over to her account she wanted to receive now and the lady was saying.

501
01:08:56.640 –> 01:09:03.210
Cindi Fisher (she/her): No, we give you, we can, and she has she has an accent so and I I know her a lot inside.

502
01:09:04.140 –> 01:09:09.240
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And that marketing or I just sometimes go into using that same accent, but she was saying.

503
01:09:09.690 –> 01:09:21.720
Cindi Fisher (she/her): You know, we give you this see received when you leave him him will give you back your cash 450 and and and so and Jeanette say no, I need it now, I need you to make a copy now because I need to take it back.

504
01:09:22.080 –> 01:09:30.720
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So it’s still can’t get the key because now, the lady has to go and make a copy and in the meantime same concern me doesn’t have a mouth.

505
01:09:31.560 –> 01:09:42.840
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And she asked me to put on a mask and he said sure, but he’s reading a post story than, say, but he’s just reading it, and then he goes to read something else in front of the office and then he goes to read the brochures.

506
01:09:44.040 –> 01:10:05.610
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And i’m sure this all has to do with like everything has gone wrong it’s like Why am I going to do whatever he’s people want when I wanted you know he wasn’t rude or anything he just took his time and then the lady said he can’t stay but 13 days, he can stay one night that’s all.

507
01:10:06.660 –> 01:10:23.280
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And in she is ill Now I know she said she’s going to have a brain she has a tumor in her brain and her and her husband had been doing this business for 26 years and they’re the only ones, and so at night time they’re the only ones to answer the desk.

508
01:10:24.750 –> 01:10:32.730
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So I understand that she’s trying to do self care so at this point, said, is totally.

509
01:10:35.250 –> 01:10:36.570
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Just needing to sleep.

510
01:10:37.650 –> 01:10:38.310
Cindi Fisher (she/her): and

511
01:10:40.320 –> 01:10:51.210
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I told him this was really important to keep those keys or unlock the door so His solution was to put a wastebasket in the door, and he would go out.

512
01:10:52.050 –> 01:11:01.530
Cindi Fisher (she/her): go out to get something to eat he can smoke in this room, but if he would go out to get fresh air to get something to eat it has a wastebasket but.

513
01:11:02.880 –> 01:11:04.710
Cindi Fisher (she/her): That worried, the lady and.

514
01:11:06.120 –> 01:11:12.450
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And I also saw him, while he was out the door was open and cuz in the morning, she was saying.

515
01:11:13.050 –> 01:11:26.970
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Like he left the door open, you know, several times, then this is where a lot of homeless people are there are camps all around and she was worried about their stuff gets stolen so she had told him he can’t leave the door open.

516
01:11:28.080 –> 01:11:33.090
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So he kept forgetting the key four times in one night.

517
01:11:34.140 –> 01:11:47.340
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So I had hoped that maybe if he had a good night, according to them, that she might live in stay, but she said no, he lost the key made it help port finances this weekend.

518
01:11:49.290 –> 01:11:49.830
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So.

519
01:11:52.080 –> 01:11:53.040
Cindi Fisher (she/her): That was the end of that.

520
01:11:54.480 –> 01:11:55.800
Cindi Fisher (she/her): back to the Agency.

521
01:11:57.390 –> 01:11:57.870
Cindi Fisher (she/her): and

522
01:12:00.360 –> 01:12:05.250
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I told her own says, can I take him home and let him rest, but she tried to find a moto.

523
01:12:06.570 –> 01:12:12.060
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And they found one in wushu go now you have to remember Vancouver is like.

524
01:12:15.090 –> 01:12:17.250
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Maybe 2% black.

525
01:12:18.270 –> 01:12:19.920
Cindi Fisher (she/her): It may have gone up now.

526
01:12:21.450 –> 01:12:23.490
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Watch you go it’s.

527
01:12:25.410 –> 01:12:32.160
Cindi Fisher (she/her): About 40 minutes away on a highway not a freeway and it’s like.

528
01:12:35.040 –> 01:12:35.910
Cindi Fisher (she/her): it’s a real.

529
01:12:37.020 –> 01:12:52.500
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Country rural town and then the other one was woodland, which was like 40 minutes up the freeway and another white you know it’s not so rural another white town.

530
01:12:54.240 –> 01:12:56.730
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And they said that’s nothing but trouble for him.

531
01:12:57.840 –> 01:13:01.560
Cindi Fisher (she/her): i’m not sending my son with lung blood dreadlocks that.

532
01:13:02.820 –> 01:13:07.920
Cindi Fisher (she/her): forgets his key and right now is having major.

533
01:13:09.060 –> 01:13:13.020
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Internal conversations external like there’s no way.

534
01:13:14.370 –> 01:13:27.300
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So we finally agree that he can stay that and I had told the director, that I was not having my son work with the woman who.

535
01:13:28.740 –> 01:13:41.460
Cindi Fisher (she/her): had been the cause of August his case manager um we were supposed to meet on that Friday morning night and said no we’re not we’re not meeting with her, you need to find somebody else.

536
01:13:42.480 –> 01:13:44.790
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And so, finally.

537
01:13:47.070 –> 01:14:00.180
Cindi Fisher (she/her): At Friday, she said we don’t have to meet on Tuesday I also called the director of the ghost program on Friday, and she was flabbergasted at everything that happened.

538
01:14:02.040 –> 01:14:03.480
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So it turns out that they.

539
01:14:05.160 –> 01:14:06.390
Cindi Fisher (she/her): don’t have any other.

540
01:14:08.280 –> 01:14:20.160
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Case manager that tired under the ghost program the homeless agency got a contract for the ghost program to hire one person, she has several other clients.

541
01:14:20.820 –> 01:14:38.220
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And so they have nobody else is software to try and get another ghost provider there’s no guarantee that there is one in Vancouver, this is what the director was telling me, and if there was, they have to accept them, and it could take time so.

542
01:14:39.420 –> 01:14:51.120
Cindi Fisher (she/her): What they finally told me, the agreement was is that they would have I I call an accommodation person to go with and Jeanette not my son, but to make sure that.

543
01:14:52.230 –> 01:14:52.920
Cindi Fisher (she/her): She.

544
01:14:54.780 –> 01:15:02.460
Cindi Fisher (she/her): treats my son with respect and supports his decision not makes this decision so.

545
01:15:04.770 –> 01:15:09.630
Cindi Fisher (she/her): that’s where we’re at and today it’s Tuesday and they gave me till Tuesday.

546
01:15:10.860 –> 01:15:16.260
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I haven’t heard from them and I have made adjustments i’m almost thinking that.

547
01:15:17.970 –> 01:15:25.110
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I wanted to just stay here till they get the apartment and if he really wants an apartment style he can move in I don’t know if.

548
01:15:25.980 –> 01:15:47.340
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I want them to pay if they were gonna pay the a did pay them motels like $100 a night it’s like it’ll be at least a month before, probably at the at the earliest a month before you find them apartment so pay me $500 a month for renting i’ll say a room but it’s taken over my living.

549
01:15:50.160 –> 01:15:50.850
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So.

550
01:15:52.110 –> 01:15:53.760
Cindi Fisher (she/her): that’s the unbelievable.

551
01:15:55.350 –> 01:15:59.850
Cindi Fisher (she/her): district discharge planning by the system that wanted to.

552
01:16:00.930 –> 01:16:02.400
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Make sure that he had.

553
01:16:03.690 –> 01:16:13.260
Cindi Fisher (she/her): A good, safe reentry the control the authority all of that is still deeply embedded in the Community and.

554
01:16:15.510 –> 01:16:16.800
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Power different ways.

555
01:16:19.320 –> 01:16:20.040
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So.

556
01:16:21.990 –> 01:16:23.400
Cindi Fisher (she/her): that’s where we’re at.

557
01:16:23.880 –> 01:16:24.450
yeah.

558
01:16:30.600 –> 01:16:44.550
ALEC FISHER: I think it’s perfect and there’s such a storyteller to like I feel like you have such a knack for like being able to be expressive about your experiences in a way that really feels like you’re getting to the truth.

559
01:16:44.940 –> 01:16:46.890
Cindi Fisher (she/her): You know wow Thank you thank.

560
01:16:49.890 –> 01:16:53.400
ALEC FISHER: You I guess the last question I have would be just what.

561
01:17:01.440 –> 01:17:13.590
ALEC FISHER: But what do you think needs to change, about the Community in order to be safe person in the future, and you can think about Community broadly Community could be.

562
01:17:15.150 –> 01:17:20.130
ALEC FISHER: Westminster hospital and that whole system, it could be the people in Vancouver where you live, it could be.

563
01:17:22.380 –> 01:17:24.540
Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah yeah yeah i’m.

564
01:17:26.580 –> 01:17:27.810
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I would say.

565
01:17:34.110 –> 01:17:40.020
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I just signed up to do a phone bank for the minneapolis.

566
01:17:41.400 –> 01:17:44.280
Cindi Fisher (she/her): public safety team they actually have a bill.

567
01:17:44.580 –> 01:17:45.420
ALEC FISHER: On the.

568
01:17:47.820 –> 01:17:52.770
Cindi Fisher (she/her): ballot for November that would significantly defund the please.

569
01:17:53.340 –> 01:17:55.920
Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah they would actually.

570
01:17:58.500 –> 01:18:01.290
Cindi Fisher (she/her): hire a Community public safety.

571
01:18:04.500 –> 01:18:05.190
Cindi Fisher (she/her): um.

572
01:18:06.330 –> 01:18:11.070
Cindi Fisher (she/her): You know the policeman that responded to me and such a humane way.

573
01:18:13.530 –> 01:18:18.540
Cindi Fisher (she/her): He could take his uniform off and become part of that public safety team.

574
01:18:19.260 –> 01:18:19.560
and

575
01:18:21.000 –> 01:18:25.230
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And, and I, and the rest of the Kim there are people that.

576
01:18:26.610 –> 01:18:29.280
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Have carrie she would be a great.

577
01:18:30.120 –> 01:18:42.210
Cindi Fisher (she/her): New people would live to experience life Community create and pay for a public safety team so number one we stop feeding people.

578
01:18:43.050 –> 01:19:03.960
Cindi Fisher (she/her): into these dangerous pipelines that harm them and then return them back into the Community, and then they say Oh, they shouldn’t have came out of whatever institution they were forced into never do we lay the blame and the shame and the harm.

579
01:19:06.450 –> 01:19:21.450
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Of those institutions that lack heart and compassion i’m not saying that people inside now are people that aren’t good people in there i’m not saying, but i’m saying the institution in the framework.

580
01:19:21.780 –> 01:19:22.410
Cindi Fisher (she/her): That is.

581
01:19:22.620 –> 01:19:23.430
Cindi Fisher (she/her): anchored in.

582
01:19:23.970 –> 01:19:27.180
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Your heart at a deeper level.

583
01:19:28.200 –> 01:19:30.720
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And that’s because it’s not accountable to the Community.

584
01:19:31.470 –> 01:19:34.710
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Yes, accountable to the professionals and the experts.

585
01:19:35.130 –> 01:19:35.610
ALEC FISHER: yeah.

586
01:19:35.910 –> 01:19:39.960
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I have an asset those most impacted especially.

587
01:19:40.500 –> 01:19:49.350
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Those who’ve been through that system if you are really trying to help them, you would ask them what we need, what do we need to do.

588
01:19:50.250 –> 01:20:06.540
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So that and then because our communities have been traumatized from just the way that we have been educated and bought to believe in competition and isolation and.

589
01:20:07.290 –> 01:20:29.850
Cindi Fisher (she/her): No exclusivity we and disparity is we live in age from maddie traumatizing situation and community, and we need to shift that so one of the ways to shift, it is to have local spaces and places.

590
01:20:31.290 –> 01:20:32.130
Cindi Fisher (she/her): To go.

591
01:20:32.550 –> 01:20:51.300
Cindi Fisher (she/her): To say i’m i’m in trouble I lost my job I lost my child i’ve lost i’m just confused right now I need help those are called respite houses, but not just respite House we have what they call the diversionary.

592
01:20:52.500 –> 01:20:56.760
Cindi Fisher (she/her): temporary crisis places where you go and you get locked up.

593
01:20:57.360 –> 01:20:57.630
ALEC FISHER: yeah.

594
01:20:58.380 –> 01:21:01.320
Cindi Fisher (she/her): You know, so the Pier run respite houses.

595
01:21:02.700 –> 01:21:05.070
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Pure controlled in your run.

596
01:21:05.490 –> 01:21:11.850
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Our bike I had lived experience of trauma whether it’s a psychotic break or.

597
01:21:12.330 –> 01:21:24.810
Cindi Fisher (she/her): A year traumatic life, but maybe they didn’t get locked up in the mental health system, but they know they know the feeling the experience a loss of trauma.

598
01:21:25.770 –> 01:21:40.050
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So you have a recipe for houses one in every neighborhood that anybody can go to for up to seven to 14 days and they’re met with compassion and care and understanding.

599
01:21:40.890 –> 01:22:01.650
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And the door is open, if you need to keep going to work but come back to this quiet space, you need to whatever you need to do, you can still do it you’re not locked up and said well you got a broken brain we have authority over you you won’t leave until we unlock the door, that is.

600
01:22:02.670 –> 01:22:06.390
Cindi Fisher (she/her): trauma creating so and then materia houses.

601
01:22:07.170 –> 01:22:15.000
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Like long term stays or like maybe it’s going to take you longer to get through your grief.

602
01:22:15.600 –> 01:22:16.230
Cindi Fisher (she/her): To get through.

603
01:22:16.500 –> 01:22:17.670
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Childhood trauma.

604
01:22:19.590 –> 01:22:32.940
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So, having so Terry houses more Israel is planning to have they have like three four now they’re finally to have 1112 of them within the next year.

605
01:22:33.900 –> 01:22:42.600
Cindi Fisher (she/her): You know they base they saw the value and then, even though they used to be very psychiatric hospital centric.

606
01:22:43.320 –> 01:22:46.500
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And out their funding this other.

607
01:22:49.980 –> 01:22:53.490
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I just need to find ways.

608
01:22:54.780 –> 01:22:57.360
Cindi Fisher (she/her): to break out of our isolation.

609
01:22:59.400 –> 01:23:06.150
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And reconnect as human beings as kindred spirits and so we’re not.

610
01:23:07.560 –> 01:23:15.120
Cindi Fisher (she/her): They talk about a safety net, we need to have a safety net know, we need to have a Community network.

611
01:23:15.780 –> 01:23:20.880
Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah no I feel each that side safety net is the village.

612
01:23:22.410 –> 01:23:22.800
Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah.

613
01:23:25.980 –> 01:23:44.910
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Even people don’t people you know we have a lot of empty nesters What if we had an incredible safety Community team That said, you know will come and interact if you’re willing to have someone here at home and you’re willing to get train because it’s a new way of being with people.

614
01:23:44.940 –> 01:23:45.810
Cindi Fisher (she/her): were really only.

615
01:23:46.170 –> 01:23:53.970
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Be with people and that piece so like I was like my house doesn’t mean that you have to let people smoke in your House, you know.

616
01:23:55.080 –> 01:24:08.760
Cindi Fisher (she/her): You you and the person that you’re welcoming and you find a place where you both can began to create that village sense, where you’re still feeling.

617
01:24:09.960 –> 01:24:22.140
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Self care, but the other person is also building self care and their needs are getting met so you find that happy medium, and so opening our doors and.

618
01:24:24.600 –> 01:24:40.230
Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah there’s so much more that could be done, I think the whole community needs to start taking the classes like hearing voices, you know one third of humanity voices Jesus heard voices, so people that church hear voices.

619
01:24:41.880 –> 01:24:56.580
Cindi Fisher (she/her): But because we choose to condemn and alienate people who, for whatever reason, are hearing voices and they’re not quite the kind of voices that we think they should hear it just makes several races often.

620
01:24:57.960 –> 01:24:59.130
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Try to protect them.

621
01:24:59.910 –> 01:25:00.330
yeah.

622
01:25:01.590 –> 01:25:01.860
yeah.

623
01:25:08.280 –> 01:25:09.990
ALEC FISHER: I mean something i’ve learned a lot from you.

624
01:25:13.380 –> 01:25:17.850
ALEC FISHER: Though whole idea of being with someone instead of.

625
01:25:18.930 –> 01:25:24.570
ALEC FISHER: You know, distancing yourself from someone or you know, being able to stand a person on their own terms.

626
01:25:25.110 –> 01:25:26.670
ALEC FISHER: You know, like, I feel like.

627
01:25:27.690 –> 01:25:38.010
ALEC FISHER: that’s one reason I just i’ve always really enjoyed our relationship is because I feel like even just through you being around people you’re able to change.

628
01:25:39.540 –> 01:25:50.490
ALEC FISHER: Their perspective just towards human difference, or just like you know different or just like different ways of thinking you know this has been really enlightening and just like.

629
01:25:52.680 –> 01:26:01.530
ALEC FISHER: I just the way that you walk through the world like each step it just like every interaction, you have I can change people so.

630
01:26:03.270 –> 01:26:08.700
ALEC FISHER: it’s my sister’s sincere like living presence as like the seeds of this community or you know.

631
01:26:10.860 –> 01:26:13.140
ALEC FISHER: who’s on a piece of it well.

632
01:26:13.770 –> 01:26:14.640
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Thank you i’m.

633
01:26:17.160 –> 01:26:28.950
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Very humbled and I I would be remiss if I haven’t said why didn’t a crowd Li you have been.

634
01:26:31.230 –> 01:26:32.580
Cindi Fisher (she/her): it’s like I think that’s what.

635
01:26:34.230 –> 01:26:35.760
Cindi Fisher (she/her): What gave me a lot of.

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01:26:38.370 –> 01:26:41.370
Cindi Fisher (she/her): I won’t say strength because I would have done it any way.

637
01:26:41.550 –> 01:26:42.150
Cindi Fisher (she/her): But it was.

638
01:26:42.270 –> 01:26:49.290
Cindi Fisher (she/her): something about having you show a Western state through that Seattle Tacoma traffic.

639
01:26:51.180 –> 01:27:03.120
Cindi Fisher (she/her): Week oh my gosh there was some, then what is the word I think it gave me more hope for change.

640
01:27:04.230 –> 01:27:18.270
Cindi Fisher (she/her): So often, it was you know just me doing it and you’re incredible ally ship in your organization, it was like it’s like a little voice was saying to me, things are changing.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): wakening is happening yeah no.

642
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Cindi Fisher (she/her): No are.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Part of that.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): cruise I just want to give you that phrase.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): That kind of puts it in a nutshell it’s like being with instead of doing two.

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01:27:35.580 –> 01:27:39.060
Cindi Fisher (she/her): yeah does things to people.

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Cindi Fisher (she/her): Being with them and that’s that’s the difference between.

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here.

649
01:27:46.980 –> 01:27:49.800
Cindi Fisher (she/her): And, and what we have today.

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ALEC FISHER: Okay, I like that is that is that no.

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ALEC FISHER: i’m.